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That led to service on the STFM Education Committee, which he ultimately led, and then to the STFM Board and presidency. His commitment to the specialty weaves throughout the interview, and his passion about the role of the personal physician and patient-centered medical home have highlighted his career. \u003c/p\u003e (summary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis item is protected by U.S. copyright and related rights. It is being made available by the Center for the History of Family Medicine as its rights-holder for noncommercial use, including sharing and adapting the work. No permission is required for noncommercial use so long as attribution is provided. All other uses require permission from the Center for the History of Family Medicine.  Disclaimer:  The views presented in this broadcast are the speaker’s own and do not represent those of CHFM or the AAFP Foundation. The information presented is for general, educational, or entertainment purposes and should not be considered legal, health, financial, or other advice. \u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2006-08-05 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Oral History"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Dr. Cecilia Gutierrez (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio file"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["American Academy of Family Physicians","Society of Teachers of Family Medicine","family physician","family medicine"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["William K. Mygdal, EdD (personal name)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;In his interview Dr Mygdal speaks about his development as a medical educator. In his early career he was a teacher and educational administrator. He felt a challenge to do more, so he returned to school to get his EdD. Connections landed him at the Faculty Development Center in Waco, Texas, where he relished the role of working with the residents, whom he referred to as accomplished professionals. He became active in the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine (STFM) early in his faculty development career, presenting at meetings and joining working groups. That led to service on the STFM Education Committee, which he ultimately led, and then to the STFM Board and presidency. His commitment to the specialty weaves throughout the interview, and his passion about the role of the personal physician and patient-centered medical home have highlighted his career.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis item is protected by U.S. copyright and related rights. It is being made available by the Center for the History of Family Medicine as its rights-holder for noncommercial use, including sharing and adapting the work. No permission is required for noncommercial use so long as attribution is provided. All other uses require permission from the Center for the History of Family Medicine. \u0026nbsp;Disclaimer: \u0026nbsp;The views presented in this broadcast are the speaker\u0026rsquo;s own and do not represent those of CHFM or the AAFP Foundation. The information presented is for general, educational, or entertainment purposes and should not be considered legal, health, financial, or other advice.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Center for the History of Family Medicine"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Center for the History of Family Medicine"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/246/original/CenterForHistoryFamilyMedicine_2c_RGB.png?1773344256","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Mygdal_William_06_a.wav"]},"duration":2596.92902,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/282/863/original/Mygdal_William_06_a.wav?1752678940","type":"Audio","format":"audio/wav","duration":2596.92902,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863/transcript/81714","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Dr. William Mygdal Interview Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863/transcript/81714/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(Side One.)\n\nI want to start by asking you to give your full name and telling us where you were born and where you grew up.\n\nMy name is William K. Mygdal, Bill Mygdal. I was born in Fort Worth, Texas. My father was a geologist in his professional life and worked through his life for major oil companies. We moved several times in Texas until about the age of 8, I lived I Midland, I lived in Fort Worth a couple of times and then through my school years I lived in the Chicago area where the company had its headquarters and later in Calgary, Alberta, where I finished high school. \n\nWhen you were growing up and as a young teenager, young man, who were the people that were role models? Can you tell me a little bit about who you admired and why?\n\nAs I was growing up I admired my father a great deal. He was very intelligent and extremely articulate. He was a graduate of the University of Chicago, as was my mother. Their friends were in the business community but were generally very well-read and action-oriented I guess one could say. Also, a number of my teachers were impressive to me in high school, my [    ] teacher and my chemistry teacher, Mr. Brooks. I had a high school coach who was very encouraging to me. He was quite an accomplished skier, I remember. The father of one of my good friends was also a highly successful oil man but also a kind of philosophic in his outlook and encouraged reflection and inquiry and interest in asking questions about life. Later, once I got to the university, I found stimulating, a lot of my peers and to some extent, my professors although I was not as connected a student as I might have been, I did have a chance when I was a junior in college to go to an overseas campus of Stanford University and there, because we were living in the same complex as our professors, I got to know many of them quite well and admired them and their backgrounds. \n\nYou spoke about your dad being somebody you admired. What would you say was the best gift he gave you in terms of role model? You said he was bright and intelligent and action kind of person. What was the best gift he gave you?\n\nSome of the gifts he gave me, I guess the best one was high expectations. He made the observation to my sister at one point when she was talking about a course she was going to take in college, she was a student at the University of Wisconsin at the time. He said, “Kathy, take the hard course.” I think I learned from him, although not consciously at the time, that there are many challenges in life and don’t be surprised if there are difficulties but that’s part of it and it’s something to try to engage with and to master. I didn’t have that complete a thought in my mind at the time, but his example and that comment are things I learned from him about persistence and trying to attempt important and difficult things. \n\nIn a way, I guess it’s being the best that you can be.\n\nYes.\n\nThat really links a great deal with education, doesn’t it? And you being a major educator, talking a little bit about your role in faculty development and teaching. How did you decide to study psychology?\n\nI got to my final professional identity as an educational psychologist through a series of forays or explorations of a number of different fields. I thought I would be a lawyer when I was in college. I applied as a Peace Corps volunteer to Harvard Law School, I was accepted. The closer I got to going to Harvard Law School the less attractive that sounded because in my nature I’m not a very confrontational or contentious individual. I’m persistent and I may hold a difference but verbal confrontation is really something I dislike so I decided not to go there. I was casting about for another role. I became a secondary school teacher and taught in kind of a prep school in the Houston area. That led to a number of other educational engagements. Finally I was a principal of a high school in Texas, Waco, which I helped establish. It was a new, independent school and after the travails of doing that for a couple of years, I decided, as is often the case, that I would go back to graduate school and get a final terminal degree. By that point I had a master’s degree but I ended up, mainly because of a professor whose courses I took as I was starting in the study of education who himself was an educational psychologist. I admired him, he was very bright, he was very well-informed about education, had a broad outlook. Not parochial, as some educators are. Largely, probably due to him I decided that educational psychology would be an area for me. I had minored in psychology in college but hadn’t thought about it too much. So in my mid- to late-30s I got my final degree and did qualify as a licensed psychologist in Texas, took the exams and so on. I came at it through education. Although I’d done quasi-critical or quasi-clinical work as a psychologist, what I really have found to be an identity, I appreciate and enjoy is that of being an educator and understanding the psychology of learning. That’s a real satisfaction, to try to create environments in which people do learn and learn well. That was my root. First through the humanities, becoming a teacher and later, because of the mentorship of a professor, pursuing educational psychology.   \n\nCan you talk a little bit about your Peace Corps volunteer time. You mentioned very briefly that after college you went to the Peace Corps. Can you tell us a little bit about that experience? What made you do it and what did you learn from it?  \n\nI was a humanities major at Stanford. That didn’t exactly equip me with very concrete skills, although I could write pretty well and I was pretty articulate. At the time they still had the draft so I was either going to have to go into the Army or find something else to do. The three alternatives I had were going to law school or going to the Peace Corps or going into the Army or Armed Services, which I didn’t particularly wanted to do, didn’t feel like I would be a very good fit. It boiled down to going to Boalt Law School at Berkeley or the Peace Corps and the Peace Corps sounded like it would be much more interesting. I went to the Ivory Coast and that was a very interesting experience because for the first time in my life I went into a quite unstructured situation where instead of being told what courses to take or how to lead your life basically, we got into a situation where we had to find a position and make it work. At first the government was not prepared to assign us to schools and we didn’t have much to do at first, but I eventually got a job in the interior of the country, in a quite beautiful area, it was surrounded by mountains and taught in a junior high school level institution for a year and a half. We had about 200 boys and some girls, probably 10% girls who range from about 7th grade through the 12th grade. It was a terminal experience for them, it was called the Cours Complimentaire and those people would go into government jobs or police work or the Army or something and I taught English as a foreign language. Although I had some training in the Peace Corps, I learned how to be a teacher, fairly good I guess. The gift was that I had to work and think and live and speak only French for a year and a half, which was quite a challenge because all the nuances you’re used to in your native language are not available to you. You feel clumsy and awkward. I did acquire a pretty deep understanding of French grammar and the French mentality as well because the language affects how people formulate their thoughts. Made some very close friends. Oddly enough, all of the teachers at this school, this was just after independence, were French nationals except for me. There were no Africans who were teaching at the school, very strange. Two of the teachers there, we’re lifelong friends. I’ve seen them several times in France subsequent to my Peace Corps experience. \n\nHow did you get from being an educator, becoming a psychologist and how did you get the connection to family medicine?\n\nWhen I was a graduate student and parenthetically, one of the things I think I believe is that in professional life, it’s all in the relationships. One of the people who is a fellow graduate student and also a student of Dr. Bill Lamkin, the mentor whom I alluded to earlier, was a person that you probably know named Maurice Hitchcock. Hitch and I ...I was a year ahead of him in a sequence of courses. We were full-time students and had both given up full-time jobs to get our final degree and complete coursework. We were pretty motivated. Hitch was a little bit younger than I was, maybe eight or ten years. I left graduate school and got a job at the local community college where I was head of the counseling center. Hitch was tapped by the School of Education’s leadership to work with the Family Center in the [    ] Dr. Chris Ramsey had approached the School of Education to get some help with starting a faculty development center. Federal funds were available and who did the leadership at the School of Education think could take on and lead such an effort? They looked around and identified Maurice Hitchcock who was still working on his degree, still a graduate student. So Hitch took the job as the first director of the Waco Faculty Development Center, which was set up to serve the residency programs and departments in the state of Texas. After he had been in that job for a couple of years or so, he called me up one day and asked, could I go to lunch? I said, I guess so, sure. When he’s at lunch, offered the opportunity to work in the Faculty Development Center, I knew immediately that I wanted to do it. \n\nWhy did you want to do that? What was exciting about it?\n\nI thought it would be a chance to work with students who were, or learners who were very competent and it would be probably a more satisfying professional and appropriate environment for me than working with community college students. I had been doing that approaching four years. There was some satisfaction in that but I was getting a little burned out on it. Frankly, I had come from a relatively more privileged environment. I was used to a higher level of educational attainment among people I had grown up with and many of the people at the community college, including some of the faculty, really weren’t that well-educated. I thought that working with physicians would be an interesting challenge.\n\nHas it been?\n\nIt has been, yes. It has been. In what way has it been an interesting challenge? It’s been an interesting challenge because, and they’ve been wonderful learners…first of all, family medicine had a very impressive framework for learning. I was impressed by the fact that, as I would listen to people precept residents or students, they would say things like, “What’s on your problem list?” or “What’s the differential of diagnosis?” There was a way of articulating the intellectual process of learning that was quite impressive and more elaborated than other fields that I’d had any contact with. Secondly, here was a discipline that was consciously trying to educate itself to be effective educators. I thought that was very impressive and I was an educational psychologist so I thought well, there’s an opportunity. I had never encountered a group of people who were themselves, very accomplished professionals who were so interested in learning how to be effective teachers and educators and create the best kind of environment for learning. That was very, very impressive and that knowledge came after I had decided to take the position but it was very satisfying to realize.   \n\nWhat led you to become such a big leader in the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine? I know you’ve been very active at STFM. Tell us about how you began your journey toward STFM?  \n\nRight away I got involved in STFM. The first year that I was at the Faculty Development Center, Maurice Hitchcock and Dr. Bill Lamkin and I made a presentation about an instrument we were creating, using a certain method of sorting characteristics called the Q-sort and we called it the Clinical Teaching Perception Inventory. Within a few months of working at the Faculty Development Center, we submitted a proposal to present our work at STFM, which was meeting in Boston. Here I can remember flying on the plane from Dallas to Boston thinking, boy, this is a lot better than going to the community college to go to work. I enjoyed the meeting, although it took awhile to make the personal friendships there. If we have time I’ll go into a little bit more of that. That was the first exposure to STFM and it was part of the culture of the Faculty Development Center and the larger residency program, of which we’re a part of, the foundation we’re a part of. The STFM was one of the things you did, you went to the meetings and you presented papers and you did that kind of involvement. That’s not so true of the residency program in Waco anymore but it was at the time. For several years I just sort of went to the meetings and presented occasionally, then I discovered that there were interest groups. You could go to the Group on Faculty Development, or the Group on Patient-Doctor Interviewing or the Group on later Evidence-Based Medicine and so on. So I discovered that where one of the real values of the organization was, that there were not only the kind of intellectually stimulating [    ] presentations on the workshops. I heard Ian McWhinney speak in Denver, I remember I was just incredibly impressed with him, but that there were very material advantages and learning that took place in these working groups. “Groups on” as they call it. So I began, because it was my job, regularly to attend a Group on Faculty Development. Along about in this time, Hitch went on to other employ at Duke and UCLA and other places and USC and Hawaii and I became the Director of the Faculty Development Center, which is again, serving the state of Texas. It was our collective decision that I would be the kind of outside person for the Faculty Development Center and again, it’s all in the relationships and that it would be either presenters or ideas or issues or connections that could be made that we could bring back and use in the Faculty Development Center, so it was a conscious choice to have someone be out and circulating in family medicine circles and I was that person, as the Director.   \n\nI can remember one day Roger Sherwood called me up and asked me to join the team that was going to create the Preceptor Education Project or the PEP materials. I was one of the officers of the first and second version of that and a person that I met in that guise was Tina Krause, Katherine Krause who was then at the University of Connecticut. A group of us, David Swee and Steve Bogdewic and others, Kent Sheets, collected in San Diego to present the first version of our teaching and learning workshop at San Diego. It had a lot of elements in it and it was very interactive and it went quite well. Tina was Chair then of the Education Committee and I didn’t know her very well but it was the Education Committee that had kind of chartered us to create the materials and she was very enthusiastic. I can remember asking Tina if she’d like to go to dinner. At that point, she was a very big person in family medicine to me and there was some trepidation. My heartbeat was beating a little rapidly when I asked her that questions. She said, “Sure.” So she and I and my wife went to a very nice Italian restaurant near the hotel in San Diego. That was a lifetime friendship with Tina. After that, she was I thought, a very effective Education Committee Chair. She invited me within a couple of years, to join the Education Committee and then she herself was elected President of the Society and she nominated me to become Chair of the committee. She suggested me to the President, who was then Janet Townsend, so I became Chair of the Education Committee, which I did for three years. So again, it was through a personal connection, a common interest and working in collaboration with these very talented colleagues. I became then, to summarize, active in STFM through involvement in the PEP Project and the Education Committee and then later ran for Member-At-Large and then was asked to run for President. \n\nAnd now you’re the President of STFM.\n\nNow I’m actually the Past President since May of this year. A more comfortable position. I’m not as busy as the President. \n\nWithin family medicine, you mentioned many names and some of them are familiar to me, some of them are not. When you think about who have been the people who have touched you the most in terms of perhaps your leadership or your personal story or growth, could you give us a name or a couple of names of people within family medicine who have really been role models for you.\n\nIt’s interesting you ask that question because I ended my presidential speech in San Francisco in May with a list of heroes and heroines in family medicine and I can actually send you and add to this as we finish the manuscript. One person that comes to mind, whom I saw earlier this week is Christine Matson, who is Chair of Family Medicine and Associate Dean at Eastern Virginia Medical School in Norfolk, Virginia. Chris was a fellow at the Faculty Development Center. She was then a [    ] professor at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. She’s become a lifetime friend. She’s a humane, generous, articulate and a consummate clinician, a wonderful educator and someone I really admire deeply. I had any number of wonderful fellows. I could name 20 people. Jim Martin, a former president of the American Academy was a fellow in Waco, who’s funny, who’s brilliant, who’s irreverent and is charismatic to a degree. I’ve rarely encountered anyone, he could be a senator or a president or something. He had a wonderful commitment to family medicine and to people. Roland Goertz is a man I admire deeply. He has been both my trainee and my boss and now is the president of our Waco foundation and the community health center there, has a leading role in the American Academy. One of my fellows, Leonard Morgan, grew up in Calvert, Texas and he lived in a family with very modest means. He’s a black American and he enlisted in the Army at about the age of 17 and he woke up one day in the barracks and decided with a vision that he would become a physician. He needed, first of all however, to finish high school. Not only did he finish high school and his GED, he also got a PhD in chemistry from Baylor University, a degree and was a resident in our program. The medical school degree was from UT-Houston, I think. He later became a residency director and associate dean at [UT-]El Paso. He passed away recently, but just an amazing, warm, humane, generous person. One person I don’t know nearly as well is Eduardo Sanchez, who’s the current Commissioner of the Texas Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Health. It’s been renamed. He was a resident who attended one of our chief resident conferences in Dallas about fifteen years ago. Within ten years of finishing the residency program he was Commissioner of Health for the state of Texas. Charismatic, accomplished and did a wonderful job as Commissioner of Health in Texas, including facing some real challenges with the Hurricane Rita catastrophes and health issues in Texas. That’s just a sampling of some amazing people whom I’ve met. Another one I’d mention is [Fitz]hugh Mayo, who was the first and founding Chair of the Department of Family Medicine at what’s now Virginia Commonwealth University in Virginia. He was a part of a group we had as an advisory committee to the Faculty Development Center in Waco. Again, he was a very wonderful systems thinker. He had a wide range of interests. He was always reading some usually non-medical book that he and I would talk about. He seemed to take a personal interest in me and made me feel connected to family medicine in a way I really appreciated. \n\nI want to switch gears here and ask you a little bit more about the specialty of family medicine. We have gone through a lot of changes, the Future of Family Medicine project. What would you say, from your perspective, is the biggest challenge that the specialty faces today?\n\nThe biggest challenge that the family medicine specialty faces is one of confidence and reminding itself to think in a proactive and constructive way. All industries go through phases and some survive the challenges they face and some don’t. We’re facing financial and funding challenges, however, the fundamental value of family medicine is still very current and still very much needed. People need the connection to a personal medical home, a personal physician who knows them and cares about them and will be there for them and their family when they’re facing difficulties. That core benefit or value of family medicine, I think remains unchanged and remains as relevant as ever it has been. The challenge we’re facing is that one, we’re going to have to finance that in a different way than we’ve done in the past and two, people don’t know us as well as we thought they did and that’s what we discovered through the Future of Family Medicine Project. All of those comments could be boiled down to, the biggest challenge is the way we think about ourselves. We need to think creatively, productively and get outside the box and reframe the way we operate because the value of what family physicians can offer to the American public remains still very, very important.\n\nWhat would be your advice to young physicians who are now interested in family medicine who are hearing about all this about the Future of Family Medicine, where are we going and our specialty perhaps not being appreciated by the public and also by other specialties in the medical community? What would be your advice to them?\n\nMy advice to young physicians and I don’t mean to be presumptuous because I am not, myself a physician. I would say the satisfaction in your life eventually will come through service to others. There’s no group in the house of medicine who has a greater chance of feeling that they are of service to people than primary care physicians and particularly family physicians. The ability to understand and empathize with and help individuals over time and their families over time, is an incredibly rewarding adventure. To be a meaningful part of another person’s life will make a greater contribution than simply being technically proficient in a highly-constricted area of expertise or making a great deal of money. The Range Rover is not going to be nearly as satisfying as the connections that they have with their patients and the role that they develop in the community. So a life of service is, and I say this over the hump of the main part of my professional life, that’s where the satisfaction comes, not in the amount of money that you make. \n\nYou have been a wonderful educator all through the times and I know I met you through AFMRD and NIPDD, which is education to program directors and residency. Through all these activities and I look at [    ] and I’m very impressed with all the service and all the education. What was, to you, the most fun position you have had and why was it so much fun?\n\nI would have to say the most fun I’ve ever had was being President of the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine. It was tiring. I remember one day talking to my daughter on Sunday evening and she said, “Dad, what did you do today?” And I said, “What do you think, I’m President of the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine, I’ve got two jobs, I was working at the office.” I had to write a column or something that day. There was a lot of work but there was a wonderful experience of travel, to go to Vancouver to the College of Family Physicians of Canada as an invited guest, to go to Working Party meetings of the presidents and senior staffs of the major family medicine organizations. I’ve continued with NIPDD and went last year to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, where we met. That was a high point. It was a wonderful, wonderful day driving through the mountains and past Jenny Lake. This past year has been wonderful fun. Pretty demanding but a high point of my career. \n\nWhat would you say was perhaps the lowest point or something that wasn’t so much fun and why was that?\n\nIn the year 2000, I was asked to be a consultant to the Advisory Committee in Training in Primary Care Medicine and Dentistry, which was basically advisory committee to Title VII. I was to help develop materials that were going to be used for congressional testimony and so on. The whole project did not get put together in a very effective way and there was a lot of division within the various constituents, the members of the commission and I found it difficult and made me doubt my competence for awhile. I did an okay job with it, I think I was out of my depth in terms of what I needed to know to be able to do that job and I probably should not have accepted the invitation to the consultant because I really didn’t have the background. I knew some of the people but I didn’t have as broad an understanding of primary care and its history and its contribution and being able to document that as I should have had in order to be an effective consultant for them. That was kind of a sour experience. \n\nIt’s been a lot of fun to talk to you and I wanted to ask you if you have any other thoughts or anything that you would like to add to this conversation.\n\nI feel incredibly blessed to have had the chance to work in family medicine education. As I said at the start of the interview, the discipline is remarkable because sit really consciously tries to educate itself to become the best educators they can be and create the best learning environments for students and residents. That’s a very noble aspiration for a professional group and it remains impressive for that reason. I’ve had unexpected and incredible exposure to some of the leaders in the field and that alone…just being in meetings with such talented people has been reward in itself and working collaboratively with them. \n\nThank you very, very much for this opportunity and thank you for the time to talk to me.\n\nYou’re very welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153753/file/282863#t=0.0,2596.92902"}]}]}]}