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(Receiving consent for recording conversation.)\n\nWe’ll just start with the basics. What is your full name?\n\nSusie Morantz. My legal name is Suzanne but I go by Susie.  \n\nIs Morantz your married name or your maiden name?\n\nMy married name.  \n\nAnd what was your maiden name?\n\nCarr.\n\nWhere were you born?\n\nJunction City, Kansas. February 7, 1946. My mother was Ruth Glick Carr. My father was Robert Manning Carr. \n\nI know that your father was a physician as well. \n\nCorrect. \n\nWhen you were born, was he already a doctor then? \n\nYes, he was.\n\nAnd was that in Junction City? \n\nYes.\n\nWhat do you remember about being the daughter of a doctor in a small town in Kansas?\n\nIt was kind of special. Because he was a doctor, people knew him and were very fond of him. My grandfather also was a physician.\n\nIn the same town? \n\nYes, they had a clinic with another family of physicians. It was Carr \u0026 Smiley. W.A. Smiley was the Senior. He had two sons that were in the clinic. Then my grandfather was W.A. Carr so there were five physicians that were partners, so to speak. And then there was a sixth doctor, Dr. Jim Brethour. It was always fun to go to his nurses. The nurses were always very fond of us, my two sisters and I. As I said, the people who my grandfather and father cared for would always talk about how wonderful they were. And I also got to go with my father often on a weekend.\n\nOn the rounds? \n\nI didn’t really go on the rounds, but I would wait in the car while he went in. He made house calls which was very common. And I would wait in the car. I remember his black doctor’s bag. It was on the floor in between us. The cars were large. \n\nWhat kind of car did he have, some of them were giant?\n\nWell, they were. He always drove a very simple Chevrolet. Green was the color of our family’s cars. So the smell of that leather bag and the rubbing alcohol and medications…\n\nThat really triggers a lot when you smell that now even? \n\nYes. \n\nSo he took care of people. I assume they delivered babies and they did some cradle to grave care?\n\nExactly. In fact, my father was probably better known for delivering babies. In fact, I never really realized that not all doctors were just general practitioners. I thought that a doctor kind of decided the population he or she (there were very few women at the time) wanted to care for and they were all general practitioners. I didn’t realize there were specialties. Dr. Brethour and one of the Smiley doctors were known to be the surgeons. They had a special…\n\nSo they would have had to have an operating room there at the clinic too? \n\nNo, at the hospital. Not real surgery at the clinic. And all doctors were trained in surgery at that time, I mean general practitioners.  \n\nSo there was a hospital in Junction City. And were these doctors the only doctors there then?\n\nNo, there were other physicians in town but not very many actually. \n\nWhat do you think the population in Junction City was?\n\nIt always seemed to be about 30,000. Part of that was from Fort Riley being right next door. So there were Army families who lived in town.  \n\nWas there a college there?\n\nWell, the college, Kansas State, is on the other side of Fort Riley. Fort Riley is in between Manhattan and Junction City. But there isn’t a college in Junction City. There wasn’t. \n\nWhat was the main industry there other than the base? I’m just trying to get a beat on the population. Are they farmers, merchants? Was there a factory there?\n\nNo manufacturing, no factory. It was rural. So yes, there were farmers. And Fort Riley was, I guess you would call it the main industry because they came to Junction City to shop.\n\nThere were a lot of merchants in town? \n\nYes. In fact, when the 1st Division, which is the Big Red One of the Army, was pulled away from Fort Riley, they moved the headquarters to Germany, I think it was, and it really caused a real financial problem. But now the Big Red One is back, so…\n\nAnd was your mother a homemaker?\n\nYes. \n\nI didn’t know if she was a nurse or a homemaker. \n\nNo, she had been a teacher. Then when she married my dad, she stayed home. They were in the Navy. My dad joined the Navy in 1942 because that was the war. So they lived in California for a period of years, in San Diego.  \n\nDo you have brothers or sisters?\n\nI have two sisters. \n\nDid they go into the medical field at all?\n\nNo, they didn’t. My grandfather had always said we would be nurses. That was kind of be a nurse. But he had a great deal of respect and cared about their nurses. So that, to him, was an important thing. \n\nDo you have a particular story about being with your dad when he was on call or any particular case that you remember?\n\nNot a particular case, but a situation that happened. When I had a girlfriend spend the night one time, we woke up in the morning and she said, “Susie, the phone rang during the night.” I said, “Yeah.” She said, “Was something wrong?” I said “No, my dad gets calls during the night. They call for him to come to the hospital because…”\n\nSomebody needs him. \n\nRight. And I never paid any attention to it. Of course, I probably slept right through it all because it wasn’t unusual.  \n\nYou graduated and went to the University of Kansas.\n\nThat’s correct. \n\nAnd what was your major?\n\nElementary education. My father went to KU.\n\nAnd where did your grandfather go to college?\n\nHe did not. Actually, his formal education was through 8th grade.  \n\nHow did he become a doctor? Did he attend medical school or learn on the job?\n\nHe went to medical school. He went to Northwestern. I know it’s hard to believe, but it happened that way. \n\nHe could go without a high school diploma?\n\nYes. Actually, he taught too. I don’t know a lot about his family, unfortunately. He grew up in Iowa and he never really talked much about his upbringing. But apparently he left school to help out financially. And something tells me he taught for awhile. And in those days, and I forget the name of the book. It’s not Not As a Stranger, I believe is the name of the book. And it’s about those days, about the economics of the nation.\n\nThat would have been before or after the Depression? \n\nIt was before the Depression because my father was in college during the Depression. My dad was born in [19]07. \n\nNow that you’re retired, you can go on Ancestry.com and find these things out. \n\nI tried to many years ago before I started working full-time. \n\nIt’s so easy now though. \n\nIt is. And I’m going to try. My grandfather and my father’s mother were divorced, which was very unusual at the time. But I did find records of my grandmother living. She had an apartment in Chicago when my father was in medical school there and she had renters. \n\nMaybe she did that for college costs or something, income for that. \n\nYeah, that’s a good question. \n\nSo after you finished college, did you go straight into teaching from there?\n\nI did. \n\nAnd how was your college experience at KU?\n\nIt was great. \n\nWere you in a sorority or anything?\n\nYes, I was. \n\nWhat were you?\n\nKappa Alpha Theta. Were you in a sorority? \n\nNo, but I was a little sister in a fraternity. \n\nWhich one?\n\nPhi Kappa Sigma.\n\nWhat was your favorite experience in college?\n\nI think probably the most fun time – and things were so less sophisticated then. The Theta house was right between two fraternities. Theta was on one side and Beta Sigma Chi was on the other. And we had this ongoing thing with the Betas. And one of the…I don’t know what challenge brought this one, but we had a water fight every spring with water balloons, then the Betas got the hoses out and that kind of ---- on it. But it was fun. \n\nSo this was in the mid to late ‘60s? \n\nYeah, I graduated in ’68. \n\nI remember they had a big fire at KU. \n\nThat happened the fall after I graduated.\n\nI have a friend who went there and she was at school at that time and told me about it. Her father was the editor of The Star, so she called her father immediately. \n\nAnd who was that? \n\nHer name is Sharon (inaudible). She was Sharon Dalton back then. \n\nYeah, it was the Union.\n\nThat was it, the student protestors. \n\nThe student protestors. And what was the group in the ‘60s? It started with an “S.” They came from the outside. They encouraged KU students. They came from probably Berkeley or…Wisconsin, at the time, was a big protest, I know. A lot of hippies.  \n\nIt’s still kind of that way in Lawrence. \n\nIt is. I like going up there. My kids grew up in Johnson County, went to KU and my son one time said, “I just know when I cross over into Johnson County. I can just feel the difference, and I want to be back in Lawrence.” Okay, but you got an education in Shawnee Mission which really helped.\n\nWhere did you student teach when you were in college?\n\nI student taught at an elementary school here in Prairie Village. It was Porter Elementary.\n\nIt isn’t here anymore? \n\nIt isn’t. It was one of the first elementary schools that they closed. There is now a park there, Porter Park.\n\nSo where did you start teaching?\n\nI taught at Marsha Bagby which is also no longer there.\n\nMy kids are in Shawnee Mission schools. \n\nWhere are they?\n\nOne is at Westridge and one is at West. She’ll graduate --. She is going to go to Southeast Missouri State. She wants to major in museum curation. \n\nWhere else in Shawnee Mission did you teach?\n\nThat was the only school. \n\nWhat grade?\n\nI started my first year in fourth grade and then there was a team teaching, it was called departmentalized at the time. Meaning that there were four teachers, each teacher had their home room and taught their own class reading. Then the classes moved from teacher to teacher for the rest.\n\nThey do that at my daughter’s elementary school. But they just did that in fifth and sixth grade. But they would do like the reading and English, then they would do science and math. \n\nYes, that’s exactly the situation. And one of those four teachers got married and they asked me to take her place. So from there on out, I taught sixth graders. I had a fifth grade home room. \n\nFor seven years you taught?\n\nSeven years, yes. One in fourth grade, then the rest in fifth and sixth grade. \n\nDid you stay home with your kids then?\n\nYes.\n\nAnd when were they born?\n\nDavid was born in November of 1975 and Amy was born in October of 1979.  \n\nWhen you were a stay-at-home mom, did you volunteer in schools?\n\nI did. \n\nOther entities or…\n\nI was a member of the Junior League and was fortunate enough to get involved in learning a lot about greater Kansas City. One of my major focus groups, they were called at the time, was child care. And this was at a time when it was becoming apparent that women were not going to always be able to be at home with their children and there wasn’t a whole lot of access to quality child care. The licensing was there but it was very inconsistent. \n\nIt probably wasn’t regulated at all? \n\nVery little. And a lot of child care centers were in religious institutions and they were exempt from being…\n\nSo nobody could check up on them? \n\nThat’s right. So during that time, of course, things started tightening up. And I was fortunate to work with some women who were at UMKC in child care development. And one of my major responsibilities was, we had a full-day forum for all the community organizations that were interested in child care, bringing them together. Because all of them wanted to protect their turf. And in anything like this, some people felt one way about it. I mean there wasn’t agreement.\n\nSo it was hard to get anything consistent, regulations in place? \n\nRight. So this forum was to bring all these people together and pull together and hopefully…\n\nAgree on something. \n\nYes. To coordinate and to have them work together for the good.\n\nDid it work? \n\nAt the time, the way the Junior League worked, that was like a four-year responsibility for me. And then I moved on to another focus and worked on a different kind of committee. So I really didn’t have the opportunity to follow on with it. And then I got real involved with PTA. And at the time you could be a sustaining member of the Junior League at age 40, I think. Because it was typically for 20 year olds. \n\nI know you age out of Junior League at some point. \n\nYeah, well, they’re aging out later now, which is good. But I aged out, so to speak, and so I really didn’t keep up with what happened. I saw what happened. I didn’t keep up with the activities here in Kansas City at all. But there was a lot of progress made.\n\nSo you started a dialogue at least. So that probably did make some kind of difference. \n\nYes. And the child care industry has boomed and it’s better-regulated. You don’t hear the horror stories that you used to hear so much.  \n\nDid you meet your husband in college?\n\nNo, we didn’t meet there but we had friends in common.  \n\nDid he go to KU?\n\nHe went to KU. He went his freshman year in Peoria. I can’t remember the name of the school. His parents didn’t think that it was worth the investment because he really wasn’t focusing in his freshman year. So he came back and went to KU and did very well. But we had friends in common. And one of his friends, I had a date with him. This is kind of convoluted. My sister was a Theta also and one of her roommates had a little sister my age.\n\nWhen you say little sister, do you mean a biological little sister? \n\nA biological sister.\n\nI thought you meant a little sister in a fraternity. \n\nNo, I understand. Anyway, Jan and her parents were living in Massachusetts for a year because her father was going to MIT. And so Jan’s mother and my mother thought it would be great if we were pen pals between the two sixth grade classes. And so we became pen pals with the kids in her school. And then when they moved back, Jan and I would visit each other. And as we grew into dating, I was with a blind date with this young man named Roy. Well, we just went out. And many years later when I was in Kansas City teaching, Roy came home for Christmas and New Year’s and he called my roommate and said, “Is anybody still single that I could go out with?” And she said, “Yes, Susie is.” He said, “I know Susie. I had a date with her years ago.” \n\nSo you were out of college when you finally got together, right? \n\nRight. But Roy was my date and Keith, my husband, had a date with another young woman and we doubled. Roy was in medical school. And when he went back to medical school at Johns Hopkins, Keith called me and asked me out. So that’s how we met.\n\nAnd what year did you get married? \n\n1971. \n\nWhat does he do? \n\nHe was in the family business at the time. It was paper supply. They sold paper products to primarily commercial All kinds of paper products from toilet paper to…in fact, Keith was responsible for getting the first computer in his company. And that computer filled a room this size. And they sold specialty papers, gift wrap, shopping bags to places like Harzfeld’s at the time.\n\nI’ve only lived here 17 years, so I don’t know a lot of Kansas City references. \n\nIt was primarily a women’s store. More of a department store.\n\nWas it downtown? \n\nThe big stores were Woolf Brother’s, Emery Bird Thayer. These are the old stores. Family-run stores. They weren’t national chains, by any means. They were downtown. But also there was a Harzfeld’s in Corinth Square. Actually, it was where…CVS is no longer there. It’s off on another corner in that area. But do you know where Salty Iguana is?\n\nYes. \n\nWell, it was in that whole section of the building. \n\nSo it looks like as your kids got older, you started working here at the AAFP?\n\nI did.\n\nAnd how did that come about? Did you have a contact? Did you just apply?\n\nI had a contact. My next door neighbor told me that…her kids were my children’s ages. And she started working at the Library as a copier, to make copies of articles…\n\nRight, that they were sending out. \n\nExactly. And reshelving the journals and books that they used to produce copies to send to the docs. So it was a very mother-friendly attitude. If your children were sick, you stayed home with them. If they had a special program or if you wanted to volunteer for field day or something like that. And if you didn’t want to work during the summer, that was okay too. They would hire high school kids. So that’s how I got into it. But unbeknownst to me, I was assigned to a person who just started there. She was the librarian. She was in charge of the serials, [?], ILL and all that. She wasn’t the reference librarian like David Wright was. He was the reference librarian. There was another woman who did it too. Because that was the main part of the Foundation at the time. Anyway, I was assigned to her as an assistant. And she kept giving me these projects and I thought, hmm, this is becoming a little more responsibility than I really thought and was it going to be as flexible as I thought it would be. And I thought okay, I’m not going to say anything yet. I’m going to see how this works out. I might really like it. And if I say something, they might not want me to come back. So as it turns out, just about the time I was going to tell Marian that I was going to have to not work the summer, she came in and said, I understand from so-and-so that you are going to take the summer off. And I went, yeah. And she said, I don’t know what I’m going to do. But since that’s the agreement, that’s the way it will go.\n\nWhat year was that? Do you remember? \n\nI started in September of ’87. I always forget, but I’m pretty sure it was September of ’87. So then I took that summer off and came back. And Marian said, okay, we have to have some kind of agreement going forward. Can you at least work part-time? Part days during the summer? And I said yes, of course.\n\nYour kids were older by then, so… \n\nThey were. And I was able to take my daughter to tennis lessons and things like that. I was always there to take them to school and pick them up because I just worked the middle part of the day. So it was perfect.\n\nAnd then you went full-time? \n\nI went full-time. I had always thought that I would go back to teaching. And I got my certification and substitute taught, which my children were just aghast at. They said, you just don’t know what kids do to substitutes. I said, yes, I have heard what kids do to substitutes through you. But that won’t happen. But it was a difficult time and everything had changed so much in the years that I hadn’t taught. And attitudes were very different. Also, it was very difficult to get a job because there were so many women and men my age who were wanting to go into teaching. And, of course, we had gone through a recession and it affected…my husband said, “Susie, you have to contribute to the family economy because the kids are going to be going to college soon.” Anyway, the substituting wasn’t working out. In fact, it was just such a blessing to come work at the Foundation because it was sanity. \n\nI know, there was structure and you pretty much know what you’re going to do here. \n\nBut when I was called to substitute, at that time…\n\nDidn’t they call you at 6:00 in the morning if you’re going to work that day and you never really know if you’re going to work? \n\nExactly. So I called the Foundation and would say I’m substituting but I’ll be in such-and-such. Okay, that was fine. So there was that flexibility too. Because in this job, the library office coordinator, had been open for a period of time. And I finally decided okay, I’m not going to be able to go and make use of my profession, what I was trained for, but this would be a solid, good place to work. So I went to my boss at that time and said, Carolyn, is that job still open? And she said, I think so, I’ll go ask Pat. Pat Woods was her name. And so Pat called me in and I said, could I apply? And she said absolutely.\n\nSo what were the job duties for the Library Office Coordinator?\n\nWell, I answered the phone and took information from doctors’ offices or doctors themselves on specific medical questions they wanted research and literature on. And then I would process that request and give it to David Wright, who was the research librarian. And he would determine what literature and I would pass that on to the women who were working in the copy room, which is where I thought I was going to always be for my part-time job. And then from there it was all packaged up. And sometimes we had to troubleshoot, if we had to get something. There was one really kind of emergency situation with a child, a baby boy who had some…it was a situation with his penis. It was a very unusual medical question at the time and it had to be processed and faxed. Of course, faxing was a very…I had to run it to Kinko’s or whatever entity was available then. Anyway, it was one of those things that was like, we have to have this information now in order to save this young man’s body. \n\nAnd now everything is on a PDF and shoot it off to them and it’s done. \n\nExactly. And an emergency can be taken care of immediately. But not so in those days.\n\nI was looking at the dates and thinking, did they have fax machines then? \n\nWe did but it was very limited because you could only fax so many pages. And it was very costly.\n\nRight, you had to pay for your line plus that special thermal paper you had to get. \n\nHow times have changed.\n\nAnd very quickly. And it’s funny because when I have been cleaning out in the back there, I have found the physical forms reflecting an article. And here’s what you put in when you mail it off to somebody. Did you overnight stuff back then? Surely you could, if you had to? \n\nI’m not sure. I don’t remember UPS and FedEx. I’m sure there was. And there were two kinds of stamps, the regular and then air. It was stamps that anything that was put on an airplane. Otherwise, it went on buses or trains. What was the name of the stamp? Air-something. I’ll have to look that up on Google.\n\nSo you did that for a few years. Then you moved to Foundation Program Coordinator. \n\nRight.\n\nWhich entity did that fall under? Was it under… \n\nPhyllis Naragon, the Program…and I reported directly to Pat Gibson who was the librarian. Well, she was one of the two bosses at the time. It was a very complicated staff situation then. We lost our executive director. He had been the Executive [VP] for the Foundation and he was demoted to [Executive] Director and then he lost his job eventually because of financial problems. There wasn’t a whole lot of good financial care, fiduciary care going on. He was just a little bit too lax with the funds. And when the Board found out that we were not operating within a budget, he lost his job. It was very difficult. He died suddenly last year, in 2013, with a heart attack. But anyway, where was I going with that?\n\nProgram Coordinator. What falls under that? \n\nWell, the first program I had was Parke-Davis Teacher Development Award which became Pfizer Teacher Development Award. And Sondra, that was [is] her responsibility. I think Pfizer has stopped supporting that, so that program no longer exists. That actually came over from the Academy. It had been a program within the Academy. Then since it really was more of a…Pfizer could give money to the Foundation under different…it was more of a Foundation program-type thing anyway. So that was my first major…no, the first was the Health Education Program which was a program that health education producers could submit their products, brochures typically. And we had reviewers who read over the materials to determine their scientific validity. And they had to have a certain reading level for the public, the patients.\n\nIs it like the criteria that a fifth grader could understand it? \n\nYes, I think now it’s a fifth grader. I think at that time it was eighth grade.\n\nThat doesn’t say a lot for America, does it? \n\nNo, not at all. So it was processed, we did that readability testing which was very interesting. And then we sent it to reviewers and they would score it and send it back. There’s probably information on that.\n\nI’m sure we cataloged it. We cataloged everything last summer. \n\nYeah, we referred to it as HEP. So that was really my first program. And then Parke-Davis. Then after Gary McMahan left…he and Rachelle, his assistant, had run the research grant program. And Rachelle left and I was given that responsibility. So that became my primary. Then the Resident Reimbursement, RRP. You’ve seen that.\n\nI’ve seen those in the boxes here, yes. \n\nOkay, so it was Parke-Davis, HEP, JGAP, the Reimbursement program. \n\nWhich are you most proud of, you think made the most difference to somebody?\n\nI think I’m most proud of what I helped happen with the research programs. And believe me, when I was handed that program I thought, okay, I’ll take this for awhile but surely they’ll get somebody else who knows research, because I didn’t. \n\nSo it was something that you really didn’t know that much about and kind of learned on the fly and then published something? \n\nAbsolutely. And I knew medical terminology a little more than probably somebody…I knew more about it and understood it not because my father talked it all the time, but I was around it. My brother-in-law is a pediatrician, so I heard medical speak to a certain degree. \n\nMost of your life? \n\nYes. So that kind of helped me. I was familiar with Latin and medical terminology. But learning the research end of it and listening to the committee who had to make the final determination on the applications that were submitted, it was a real growing process. And throughout that time, we had a program called the Resident and Students Research Seminar. It became a full-day seminar. It was supported by Pfizer at the time. And the faculty that volunteered to work on it were tremendous people and very excited about it and we all wanted it to continue to be supported, but it wasn’t. But I feel like that was something that I worked on and helped get resident research going. I was very touched with some of the comments that I got when people found out I was going to retire. They thanked me for what I had done to help family medicine research. I was just enthusiastic about it.\n\nThat makes a difference if you’re passionate about it. You can figure it out and do a good job.\n\nYeah, that’s probably the one thing that I feel like was a big accomplishment. A growing experience for me and I feel like I helped make an impact with that.  \n\nYou were Program Manager after that? Does that still fall under the same…\n\nThat falls under the same thing. As the research programs became more involved and then Family Medicine Cares were initiated, I was asked to be responsible for part of Family Medicine Cares. And the James G. Jones Student Scholarship was another one of my programs and that was passed on to Sondra. But in the Program division, as programs went away, responsibilities shifted so that everybody…the programs were covered that people had enough to do to be a full-time person and not lose their job. That’s putting it rather crudely, but it was just sharing the responsibility. So things like that shifted.  \n\nSo what you were talking about earlier about how the budget had been mismanaged, did you feel like things that you did helped people retain their jobs as far as the programming and building those? Maybe I’m not framing that right.\n\nI know what you mean. I think I was just happy that I kept my job. Yeah, I mean staff was cut drastically. Had to.\n\nWas that in ’95, I think? \n\nYes, ’95, that’s right. It was happening in ’95 and ’96. And then, of course, the Library. The cost of subscriptions just skyrocketed. That was part of my responsibility when I was…\n\nDid you have to go through and determine which journals to keep and that sort of thing? \n\nExactly. \n\nThat’s what we’re doing now. \n\nIs it? That was so hard.  \n\nWhat percentage size wise do you think it ended up being cut? \n\nOver a period of time, 10-20%.  \n\nWhat impact did that have on fulfilling research requests? \n\nWell, it kind of went hand-in-hand with the ability to get, acquire articles online. And this is my theory: probably part of the reason…well, the cost of paper at that time skyrocketed. \n\n(Inaudible.) \n\nExactly, I was very aware of that. So that caused the journals to increase their cost. Then interestingly enough, Marian Craig and Pat Woods, who were the major librarian librarians, not research librarians so much, the Huffington Library would help doctors learn about accessing articles through computers.\n\nYeah, and they still do that. \n\nReally, this Library does?\n\nKatie just did it. Not so much for the doctors but for the people on staff. She just did a presentation a couple of weeks ago on how to search for articles. \n\nHow great is that.\n\nSo we still have to keep doing it because it’s changing so fast. \n\nIt is. Well, ours just kind of snowballed so…\n\nI wasn’t aware that they did it that long ago. I would have thought ten years ago. But you said this was about ’96? \n\nIt was, absolutely. It was in the ‘90s. Because I helped with…it was a library group, the National Medical, NLM.\n\nNational Library of Medicine. \n\nThat’s it.\n\nThere are so many acronyms in my head that I can’t keep them all straight. I know what they are but I don’t know what’s all ----.  \n\nRight, and I helped Pat and Marian, they had a major meeting here in Kansas City. I helped with that.  \n\nSo I thought it had just been an amazing job. And at one point, I thought I would try to get my library degree. But it was very difficult to do because I would have had to travel to Emporia.\n\nI think that was probably about the time I started looking into going to Emporia. And it ended up being 15 years later that I finally have started it. \n\nOh, really? \n\nYeah, because I would have had to go down there. Now everything is online and they have a satellite office here now. \n\nSo you’re getting your library degree?\n\nYes. \n\nLibrary-library or…\n\nMasters of Library Science. \n\nThat’s great.\n\nI’m almost done. \n\nHow many more hours?\n\nI’m a little more than halfway through. I’ll graduate in December of this year. So maybe 12 more hours. \n\nPart of my upbringing, my mother was on the library board and the school board. And I spent a lot of time in this wonderful library in Junction City. You know, just the feel of the old wood floors. It was upstairs and there was a philanthropist, I’m trying to remember his name…John Smith or Gregory Smith. He was a philanthropist. And throughout the country he would provide funds for small towns to open libraries. I may be totally off, but a very common name like Smith or Jones. And it was in a brick building, right downtown in Junction City. You went up this beautiful stairway, and the aroma and the sense of it all was fun. \n\nI think it’s interesting that you started out in education but you also grew up in this medical family. And I think that’s kind of been sort of underneath everything else as far as you’ve gone in your career path. Teaching, that’s a leadership quality that helped you develop this programming. And then you sort of absorbed that medical knowledge just from your family. So you said, you wanted to go back to teaching because that was your major and what you were trained to do. But you have kind of changed your thought process, but you still are doing that. And I think that’s kind of like what I do. I started out doing something completely different from where I am now. I think that’s kind of nice that you have evolved through that instead of just staying in one spot. \n\nThank you. You put that very nicely.  \n\nI think you sort of pigeonhole yourself when you’re young because you think you’ve have to decide what to do with my life. And I think you have to be open to this stuff that’s going to come to you or it won’t happen. \n\nThat’s right.  \n\nSo what changes as far as like you grew up in a family practice at home – and as far as that field has gone, how have you seen that change? It seems like you’ve gone from where family practice was… \n\nIn a small town where I grew up. \n\nHaving a family practice doctor seems to have over the years diminished. But do you think it’s coming back? You know, people have the idea of going to a family doctor. Have you seen that through the Academy?\n\nI feel that, yes, very definitely. My sister told me that one of the great things about my father was he was always willing to say, I can’t help you with this, you need to go to a specialist. And that would be somebody in Topeka or Salina or KU. But he would refer his patients when he knew it was beyond his scope. And I think family physicians are now better-trained all around and they are able to take care of people probably further than my father was. But they are very willing to coordinate with other specialists. They’re just that kind of people. They’re open and feel a responsibility. That’s putting it pretty…\n\nSo where do you think you see the future of family health care in America now, especially with all the changes with the ACA and…\n\nI think it’s going to grow and hopefully people will now have the resources to go to a family doctor.\n\nExactly, I do too. I think family physicians are at a very pivotal point where they’re going to have a great impact on how it goes. At one time, we were in Savannah, Georgia visiting a family there. There was this big billboard and it happened to be an African-American doctor. It was very obvious, he was sitting down and there was a patient. This wonderful, kind gentleman talking to a patient. And the message on the board was “Family Medicine, The Way Doctors Used To Be,” or something to that effect. \n\nHopefully we will come back to that.\n\nI hope so.\n\nThere is one little anecdote and this may sound like, did that really happen? But my father was very old with cancer. And this was when I was in college. I was home for the summer. He died in August of ’68 just after I graduated. But my grandfather, of course, would come talk to him, and my father had quit practicing. And I walked through the room and I think I heard my father say “Well, why do they think they have to change the name?” And so I started working here and I started sending that this family medicine was what I knew of as general practice. And learned at that time, in 1967, ’68, ’69 all this evolution into the residency programs. And the Academy used to be the Academy of General Practice, the AAGP. \n\nWhat year was that? I think it was late ‘50, wasn’t it? ’69. \n\nI may be wrong about that because I tend to lose…I remember when I graduated and it was around that time. But anyway, it was kind of like what do those young whippersnappers think they’re doing anyway? Why would they change things? So that’s just one of those funny little anecdotes that after I learned more about family medicine and the history of how the change occurred, I’m wondering if that wasn’t the conversation I heard. \n\nCould be. \n\nJust briefly walking through the room.\n\nWas he a member of…? \n\nYes, they were members of the Academy. And that was another kind of funny emotional thing I had. It was like okay, this is a job. I’m not going to get emotionally attached to this because I am going back to teaching. But to learn that this entity that I’m working for is somehow related to my background, I’m going to become tied to it. Then when I finally flipped the coin and took the full-time job, I thought okay, now I’m going to find out if my grandfather and my father were members. And I was scared, I had to go down to, and at that time the building was on Ward Parkway. I had to go down to…what do you call those expanding shelves?\n\nThe ones that you have to spin those things? I don’t know the name for those either. \n\nI had to go down to what was called…\n\nDown in the stacks? \n\nI got in the stacks to pull out membership books. And I didn’t want to tell anybody what I was doing because I thought if they weren’t members, I’m going to be really mad. And then I found out that they were and I was like, ahh.\n\nThis is where you were supposed to be. \n\nYeah. My grandfather was not a founding member. But he became a member like after the first or second year.  \n\nIt was in the mid-‘40s that it started, right? \n\nYes. And then my father finally joined in 1954. My father actually did not want to go into practice in Junction City. He and my mother had so enjoyed the Navy. And they had both grown up in Junction City and really never had the opportunity to travel and get to know all these different people. And they both wanted to be in the Navy. But my grandfather begged and begged. They needed young physicians so badly. So my dad kept his commission as a reservist…\n\n(Changing to Side B of tape.)\n\nSo you were talking about your dad and he wanted to stay in the Navy. \n\nSo my uncle, my mother’s brother was a family historian and he pulled together all these stories and, in fact, published a book of sorts; otherwise, I wouldn’t know all this. So thank goodness because they didn’t live long enough for me to talk to them about it all. But the story was that my grandfather drove to Chicago with my father to support him as he relinquished his commission in the Navy. They needed young doctors. All the Army families came back to Junction City.\n\nAnd now there was nobody there. \n\nNo, there wasn’t the manpower to take care of everybody.\n\nDo you think he regretted not staying in the Navy? \n\nYeah.\n\nHe lived 20 years after that, just about? \n\nYeah.\n\nHe was fairly young. \n\nHe was 61 when he died. My mother was 57.\n\nShe was young too. That must have been hard. \n\nYeah, it was. \n\nThey didn’t get to see your kids then, did they? \n\nNo. So my son is David Robert and my daughter is Amy Ruth.\n\nThat’s nice. Do you have anything else you can think of that is just general? I would rather just hear your personal stories.\n\nI’m curious about your background.\n\nWe can do that off the…we don’t have to record that.\n\nThere are a lot of questions that seem kind of negative, like what was a bad thing that happened or what were you most disappointed in. I would rather hear positive stuff. Unless there was something that was really devastating that you can think of that you would like to share, but…\n\nOf course, when Gary McMahan lost his job, that’s always hard because people just loved him. And we knew that something wasn’t quite right, but that was very hard. Then, of course, Bob Graham who was the EVP of the Academy, had to make the financial decision to let him go. And then the financial decision again because the Library had to go. I mean it wasn’t functioning. It wasn’t providing the income for the Foundation, the original intent of it. And that was going to go. \n\nWhat do you think changed their mind, because we still have a library? What happened that made it not go away?\n\nWell, David Wright became solely responsible for it.\n\nThey just cut all the staffing and… \n\nYeah. \n\nBecause it sounds like there were four or five people at that time. And that’s just incredible to me to hear that because now Katie does everything and she’s overwhelmed. \n\nIs she? \n\nWell, not overwhelmed. But there’s a lot of stuff that she has to do. Switching everything over to digital, that’s a full-time job right there. \n\nAnd we used to have microfiche. \n\nIt’s still here. I’ve moved that machine twice in the past couple of weeks. It’s used occasionally. Every now and then someone will have to look something up, and she’s keeping all that. \n\nAnd that was part of my responsibility. As the library office coordinator, I would call the service people when we needed something done with the microfiche machine. The copiers, there were contracts on the service of those. I would order the copy ink.\n\nI do that. \n\nI think we still even had…\n\nMimeographs, I remember those. \n\nYes, I used it in teaching too. It was fresh ink, would give you high.\n\nPurple, right. Do you think that’s what stabilized it, they just cut the staff and hired one person? \n\nYes. And cut back on the number of journals. Oh, and interlibrary loan. Does that still exist? \n\nYes, that’s one of the criteria we’re using for determining what to keep and what to drop. If we can get it at least two other places and we have it, maybe we can cut back on what our physical holdings are. \n\nThat was exactly the consensus that was in place back then.\n\nAnd that’s a big deal, that we have that support from the libraries too. \n\nIs it still UMKC? \n\nNo, it’s called something else now with five, six letters. It’s another acronym. I asked Katie how many libraries and I think there are maybe, I want to say between fourteen and seventeen that participate here in Kansas City. And they had just closed the library in North Kansas City Hospital, so that was too bad. You know, why am I getting my degree in this if everything is getting cut? But you never know. \n\nWell, it’s still necessary.\n\nYes, there is a need. \n\nI just can’t believe that journals and newspapers are going to go away.\n\nWell, I kind of like the idea of the digital because it’s immediate access. People expect that anymore. And especially as the field ages out again, the younger doctors want it yesterday. Why can’t I get this online? Why can’t I just click it once and it’s available? \n\nI just want to google it.\n\nYes. Is there anything else that you particularly remember? Don Ivey would like to know what are the qualities one needs to be successful working in the Foundation?\n\nFlexibility and a desire to learn.  \n\nWhat do you think were the significant changes that you saw spanning from, when did you start, ’87 to 2014? Some of the significant changes as far as how the Foundation operates?\n\nWell, I think we have a very, very strong Board. A Board that is very conscious of their fiduciary responsibility. But also the Board interaction with staff changed over the years. It used to be kind of aloof, so to speak. And now there’s so much more interaction and they really look to staff and not just sit up there in their…\n\nTheir ivory tower? \n\nIn their beautiful boardroom.\n\nBut that’s good that they…that shows good leadership if you have that rapport with your team. \n\nExactly. And I think one of the things I used to love to participate in was, it was called the Auction. That went away a few years ago because it was so demanding on staff time. And it costs money to raise money. I mean there’s truth to that. And the Auction at one time was very elaborate.\n\nWhat were they raising money for? \n\nTo keep the Foundation. To provide the programs in the Foundation. And it was held at the Annual Scientific Assembly. And the staff got to travel there. That was one of the reasons I got to go to Assembly, because I was helping with the Auction. And the Board was working on the Auction too. And that was one of the first times that staff and Board and I had the opportunity to work more directly with the doctors. My father was not Mr. Carr, Dr. Carr. In my email that was…I’m being a real snob here.\n\nNo, it’s just a more formal way of thinking of things. \n\nExactly. And I was always very conscious of not calling anybody by their first name unless it was like my father, Dr. Bob. But through the Auction I felt a more common interaction…\n\nBecause you were actually doing something physical, side-by-side and you felt more on an even playing field with them? \n\nRight. And Mrs. Evans said, call me Rosemary, you know. And I felt like I had garnered a little more respect on a personal level from these people that I looked up to. \n\nThat’s nice. \n\nAnd that, I think…their involvement with staff and their respect for staff has helped the Foundation. \n\nWhen do you think you saw those changes coming from when they were the absolute ruling power or whatever? When did it sort of soften? When about was that?\n\nI’m trying to think…in Angela’s place, that had to have been in ’07.\n\nOh, so it’s more recently? \n\nYeah.\n\nSo that would have been during this last recession even. I’m just trying to put it in context of what’s going on in the rest of the country. That’s very interesting because that’s kind of opposite of the way the rest of the country has been going as far as now it’s the employers seem to hold the power. And that’s interesting that they saw that and they did it. That’s quite a switch. \n\nYeah, I think so.\n\nThat’s very interesting timing. \n\nYeah, because ’07 would have been…\n\nBush was still in office and that would have been right before Obama went in. So there was a lot of turmoil going on as far as the economy and employers and between employers and employees. \n\nBut, also, I’m trying to tie in…the Academy started in 1947, right? So 2007…\n\nSo maybe it was 60 years? \n\nYeah, it was the 60th Anniversary. \n\nSo maybe they decided to come up with a new mission statement for the anniversary or something. \n\nSo then I went to that Assembly. I also went to Assembly because of Parke-Davis. That program was my responsibility. And there was a celebration there for the winners. That’s what they were called. I wanted to call them recipients. The awardees, that’s how I like to look at it. And then because I was part of the staff that was there already, I got to participate in the Auction. (Inaudible.) I’m trying to think when the Auction really started going away.\n\nIt’s been in the last seven years then, if you went in 2007. That is recent. \n\nWhen did Erin …but anyway, that was one of the highlights, working at the Auction, going to Assembly. \n\nI hope this has been helpful. \n\nI think so. \n\nI know Angela was concerned about all the institutional memory that’s going away. Don seems to have such a grasp on it all. \n\nHe does. He can find anything that anybody is looking for. \n\nYeah, he’s neat. \n\n(End.)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://centerforthehistoryoffamilymedicine.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2195/collection_resources/153752/file/282862#t=0.0,4593.3298"}]}]}]}